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Topic: Jamie Sadlowski Video
Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Subject: Jamie Sadlowski Video
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 8:40pm
As I mentioned in another post, Alison believes that Jamie Sadlowski is executing the "coil and uncoil" pattern that I am working on perfectly. Check out this video of him hitting it 419 yards at the Remax 2008 Finals
 
http://www.pinnaclegolfblog.com/2008/10/29/jamie-sadlowski-in-the-2008-remax-finals/ - http://www.pinnaclegolfblog.com/2008/10/29/jamie-sadlowski-in-the-2008-remax-finals/


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Posted By: mship
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:28pm

He has his body setup pefectly he looks so solid and the swing...absolutely silly!!



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Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 05 November 2008 at 9:40pm
Weight definitely through the ankles, rear clearly counterbalancing his spine tilt and you couldn't knock him over if you tried. He coils and uncoils wicked fast, but his speed all comes from that motion of his body.

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http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: marlon
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 7:29am
Obviously, these guys are trained to hit it hard but does that translate to them being low handicap golfers? Can you imagine swinging a wedge with this swing. Chuck, what is your take on his club going below parallel, club head facing right of target - all the things a one planer runs from? Tempo is very fast.

I've heard on another forum that Jamie shoots in the low 90s...hmm.


Posted By: Dariusz J.
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 7:48am
Watch Sadlowski's right leg/feet action during downswing - very similar to Woods when he wants to kill the ball. But Jamie's main goal is to hit it the longest - it's like Woods had 6 trials on each par 4 and par 5 holes. :D
 
I am a bit amazed though that Sadlowski won - I've observed him last year through net ReMax vids and I thought that he has no chance comparing e.g. to Mike Dobbyn.
 
Cheers


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Posted By: mship
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 8:44am
Originally posted by marlon

Obviously, these guys are trained to hit it hard but does that translate to them being low handicap golfers? Can you imagine swinging a wedge with this swing. Chuck, what is your take on his club going below parallel, club head facing right of target - all the things a one planer runs from? Tempo is very fast.

I've heard on another forum that Jamie shoots in the low 90s...hmm.
 
I have only seen one guy from these long drive competions on tour that I know have maybe there are a couple of more but they definitley aren't winning so I would say the answer to this is no....


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"A bad attitude is a bigger handicap than a bad swing" - Payne Stewart


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 8:58am
Marlon, this is where the full understanding of RS2 is going to help. I'm talking exclusively as to how he coils and uncoils his body. That has nothing to do with his arms, just biomechanics. He's trying to kill it, not score and play consistently. His tempo is fast because he's trying to swing at 150 mph! The point is that he uses his body correctly to produce the power he does, not that you have to swing exactly like him.

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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: hayes959
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 9:48am
HaHaHaHa!!!!   This is going to be a whoot.  Many of us have been "golf groomed" on positions, arm actions, do this, do that.  Now Chuck and Alison are talking body motions ONLY.  We should all make note of the point in Alison's seminar where she has taken away the arms and legs and stresses that they have nothing to do with a biomechanically correct swing.  Hebron did the same in See and Feel the Inside Move the Outside.  An awesome graphic of Hogan without arms and seeing the motion of his torso.
Alison made a great point about the golf club is designed around the laws of centrifugal force.  Again, Hebron stresses that point as well when he stated that if we use the inside correctly, the outside, the arms, hands and club will be delivered perfectly, UNLESS, we interfere and manipulate the club.
 
These concepts are so contrary to our golfing nature.  We want to make it happen and control it.  This winter is going to be a blast on this forum.  Fasten your seatbelts  this is going to be fun. 


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Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:04am
Hayes, this shouldn't be new, no? Haven't I said that about the arms a million times in the book and on the videos? Don't interfere and they'll come down perfectly everytime?
 
In the end, what you guys will begin to understand is this. The Rotary Swing 2.0 is even more body focused than before and the arms, well, the arms and club are variables. You want them above your shoulders, fine, doesn't really matter. Below your shoulder plane, also fine. Those things are variables and "preferences". I have a preference on how I'd like the arms to work, but it's totally open for allowing the golfer to swing the way he feels most comfortable and to produce a desired ball flight. Of course, golf swing mechanics don't completely go out the window here, there are ways biomechanically that the arms are designed to work and should still move correctly, but it's not nearly as important as to how the body moves to generate power. That's why Sadlowski can be considered a great model. That guy coils so well it's scary. Doesn't matter that he swings like John Daly, accuracy is only so important to him. That's where the preferences come in. I can teach a long drive pro the same body movements I do a scratch golfer and build the movements of the club around their desired goal, whether it's distance or accuracy.


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http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: gwlee7
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:32am
I want it all. 

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Posted By: hayes959
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 10:53am
Absofreakinlutely!  Nothing new.  Yes, Master, you have said it from day 1, and there have still been a zillion questions about positions and how we make the arms do stuff. 
 
I have hit over 700 balls in 5 days and it is just freaky amazing how straight I am hitting it and so far my only focus has been on the shoulder blade position.  I am incorporating the whole package, just not focused on it yet.  As Alison suggested, I am taking the 4 Fundaementals, one at a time for 30 days each, 3-5000 reps.  I am still not compressing the ball the way I would like yet, but yesterday, I was "getting it" and I was hitting 9-iron to where I was hitting 8-iron two days prior.    I can see the potential as I will be sailing along and then all of a sudden I will bit a ball that just jumps and goes about 10 yards farther.


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"We must not let those who do not share our values decide our fate"

Current handicap 4.9


Posted By: striker
Date Posted: 06 November 2008 at 11:31am
What stands out to me is the guy is not a gorilla, yet he's able to hit it almost a quarter mile. Awesome!
 
He does look very solid and fit though.


Posted By: hayes959
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 9:21am
Chuck,
 
There is something I have noticed that Tiger and Jamie are doing, that you are not.  Through impact they both have pulled their front shoulder up and back while your front shoulder is more flat.  They both squat and then push up with the front side, in effect, shortening the left arm.  Mike Austin used to say that you want a 6" left arm and a 36" right arm. 
Stop this video of Jamie at the 35-36 second mark.  I am actually asking a question, not critiquiing your swing.
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SdjhA2_AYpY&feature=related
 


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"We must not let those who do not share our values decide our fate"

Current handicap 4.9


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 9:41am
Hayes, I can't watch the video fo reason, youtube seems on the fritz, so I'm going to have to take a guess at what you are seeing. I believe that what you are likely seeing is that they actually have more axis tilt at impact than I do as a result of them getting into their right side better than I am (correctly, not more - think Happy Gilmore) and then using their hips better as a result on the downswing. I'm still too "shouldery" coming down, although I made progress yesterday with this by feeling "Happy Gilmore-ish". Once I can get this video to come up I can confirm if this is what's going on or not.

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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: hayes959
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 9:58am
Chuck,
 
Just look at your side by side with Tiger.  His front shoulder goes up and behind his head.  It's here.  Notice how his front shoulder just keeps going up and back.  My prediction.  Jamie is identical.You get this move, and you get 5-6mph of clubhead speed.
 
http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2008-09-tigers-impact-and-beyond.html - http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2008-09-tigers-impact-and-beyond.html
 
 


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"We must not let those who do not share our values decide our fate"

Current handicap 4.9


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:05am
Hayes, yes, this is what I meant. Tiger has two things working for him here that I don't. First, he's much taller, so he has a steeper shoulder plane which creates a steeper "look" to his left shoulder appearing to go more up as mine goes more around, can't change that one so much. However, he also has more axis tilt and keeps his shoulders back longer, these things couple together get in a much better position coming through. My shoulders unwind early and are turning around more to the left rather than getting into a steeper position that allows me to have the '36" right arm' as you referred to it as. I have a 36" left arm and 6" right arm, but I'm working on this and this is part of the reason I have gone to a crossover release. I've never heard the "arm length" analogy before, but I like it.
 
This is, perhaps, the crux for me right now that I've been working on for a very long time and feel like I just made real progress with it yesterday on the course. Played 9 holes, on the 17th, hit 4 balls and all went the exact same distance within a yard of each other and plugged in the fairway (overseeding so they're swamps) at 300 yards out, exactly next to the 150 pole on a 451 yard par 4. My key for this, my "Happy Gilmore" drill.  
 
Heading to Sugarloaf today with the Flightscope in tow, will let you know how it goes!


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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: hayes959
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:11am
Before you go.  Here's a great view of El Tigre'.  Especially from the rear.  WOW!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPnZE3IrHWk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPnZE3IrHWk
 
Here is Austin teaching this move, after he had a stroke.  Early on he talks about the 6" left arm and then you can drag to the 5:00 minute make and he demos that move.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWX-QHHzvUc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWX-QHHzvUc
 
You/we will be beasts!!!!
 
 


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"We must not let those who do not share our values decide our fate"

Current handicap 4.9


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 07 November 2008 at 10:38pm
Tiger's sick when it comes to using his entire backside, it's just nuts. I didn't get anything from the Austin video, except for about 5 minutes in he's teaching that guy how to get stuck and come way from the inside!

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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: rayvil01
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 7:23am
The revelation for me in this has been Tiger's and Chuck's head position at that full-extension-release point.  In my case I'd get out there and that left arm would be broken down.  This series of pics Hayes posted really shows Tiger's head staying centered.  I took the first and last pic from the series and drew a vertical line from the inside of his right foot.  From before impact to full-extension follow-through, Tiger's head has rotated around his spine but not moved laterally more than a fraction of an inch.

Maintaining that head position post-impact has been a point of emphasis for a few weeks now and the ball-striking has improved.

The thing in the right-hand pic that really catches the eye is that s-t-r-e-t-c-h in the left side at that point in the swing.  It looks like everything in the torso on the left side is as long as it can get. 




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Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 9:23am
Hayes I finally got to see that video of Jamie in slow motion. His body movements are absolutely superb, Rotary Swing 2.0 to a tee. He's a beast!

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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 08 November 2008 at 9:24am
BTW, here's another great view of the coil of Tiger from the rear:
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm2BMqbQws&feature=related - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm2BMqbQws&feature=related


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Current USGA Handicap +3
Player Rating = 91.1
http://www.rotaryswing.com - Biomechanics of the Golf Swing


Posted By: marlon
Date Posted: 21 April 2010 at 11:31pm
Guys,

It's been almost 18 months since my last post here.  I am glad to be back to golf and this forum.  I am still in amazement with Jamie's swing.  Here's something I'd like to share.  My typical driver CHS without a ball using the SST (radar) is around 104-108.  Yesterday, I tried two things which I don't do with my typical driver:

  1. Move the hands higher (above the head) at the top of the backswing- steeper plane, which may be the correct plane?
  2. Let the club go below parallel (yeah, where you can see the club head out of the left eye!)
Result on the SST - first swing:  122 MPH!  Can't be real.  Second swing:  120 MPH. Holy crap.  So then, which is it - the height of the hands or the over-rotation (technically, there is no such thing as over rotation - provided you stay on plane while maintaining spine angle).  I definitely feel the wrists cocking more (maybe that should be item #3).

I went to the range to confirm this and yes, the Nakashima driver is now singing a different tune - drives are longer but now seeing a nagging fade. Darn, I knew this was too good to be true.  Would appreciate some thoughts on this...thanks all and a treat to be back to great golf conversations.
Marlon


Posted By: Yuraway
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 9:49am
Originally posted by Dariusz J.

Watch Sadlowski's right leg/feet action during downswing - very similar to Woods when he wants to kill the ball. But Jamie's main goal is to hit it the longest - it's like Woods had 6 trials on each par 4 and par 5 holes. :D
 
I am a bit amazed though that Sadlowski won - I've observed him last year through net ReMax vids and I thought that he has no chance comparing e.g. to Mike Dobbyn.
 
Cheers
 
Good to hear from you Dariusz!


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Posted By: Yuraway
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Chuck Quinton

BTW, here's another great view of the coil of Tiger from the rear:
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm2BMqbQws&feature=related - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm2BMqbQws&feature=related
 
Oooops. THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE USER.


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