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    Posted: 13 July 2006 at 3:32am

When I started playing golf, I used the traditional, heel shafted, answer-style putter like everyone else (A black Teardrop putter). I made the switch a few years ago, to a center shafted putter(T.made Rossa Mezza Monza), and I really don't know why more people don't do the same. I don't like to see the heel shafted putter rotate wide open, and close more in the stroke. With a center shaft the face rotation is minimized, and I think because of this, there's less room for error. Does everyone just prefer the traditional look of the heel shafted putter? I think most players would putt better with a center shafted putter. I have, and I'd just like to know what everyone else thinks.



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Originally posted by priceunderpar priceunderpar wrote:

When I started playing golf, I used the traditional, heel shafted, answer-style putter like everyone else (A black Teardrop putter). I made the switch a few years ago, to a center shafted putter(T.made Rossa Mezza Monza), and I really don't know why more people don't do the same. I don't like to see the heel shafted putter rotate wide open, and close more in the stroke. With a center shaft the face rotation is minimized, and I think because of this, there's less room for error. Does everyone just prefer the traditional look of the heel shafted putter? I think most players would putt better with a center shafted putter. I have, and I'd just like to know what everyone else thinks.



Stan Utley says it depends on the kind of stroke you have.  There are two types of putters -- toe-weighted and face-balanced.  You can tell which is which by balancing at putter on your index finger.  If the toe drops downward, it's a toe-weighted putter.  If the putter face stays square and facing up, it's a face-balanced putter. 

Heel shafted putters are toe-weighted.  Most center shafted putters are face-balanced.  Use a toe-weighted putter if your stroke is an arc.  That is, if your path is in-to-in and you allow the face to open and close during the stroke.  Use a face-balanced putter if your stroke is straight back and straight through with the face always square to the target line.  Utley prefers the arc stroke and the toe-weighted putters.

 
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Price,

I just went the other way than you. I used center shafted putters for some time but there was a disconnect in my mind in that I have an in to in swing for all my other OPS shots so why should my putting be different? So I got a Cameron putter off ebay and started the arc putting from Utley's book and CQ's advice of "flowing" the putterhead and things have been great. My putts are more solid, more true. I just think you have to be so upright to have effectiveness with a straight back and through putting style. But it sure works for Loren Roberts. Crazy game.

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So the toe end extending out from the hosel more than the part sticking out the rear makes it more toe weighted! Your kidding! Wow! A putter with equal mass in front and behind the hosel would be balanced? Wow again-what a concept. Well thanks for breaking down the weighting of the putter head. We didn't understand it before. Everything certainly makes more sense after you analize it OP. Bravo!

 

 



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Price, the sarcasm in that post made me cringe. I 've no idea what you were trying to achieve with it.

Maybe there are people here who'd appreciate that information from Uno.

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face balanced means simply when u hold the shaft horizontally, the face would be horizontal.

The more the hosel placements is on the heel, the more "toe hang " or toe weighted there is when u hold the shaft horizontal.. 

So normally a dbl bend shaft, or a center shaft = face balanced. heel shaft is toe balanced or toe hand.

face balanced putter is a bit easier to produce a sbst stroke and a toe balanced a gate stroke.  But you can be fitted with any of the putter to produce the stroke u like.

I didnt make this up , i believe this knowledge to be common terms in putter fitting.. so i agree Uno is basically correct with his info.

There are alot of aspects to putter fitting like

1. length. SBST prefer shorter , gater prefer longer
2. Offsets , I for one cannot live with non offset putter coz i am a "pusher"
3. gater perfer anser and blade, sbst prefer mallets.
lie angle , length etc all will have huge effect on putting path.

I just too damn suprised only less than 5% of the golfer get their putter proffesionally fitted.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Billy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2006 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by priceunderpar priceunderpar wrote:

So the toe end extending out from the hosel more than the part sticking out the rear makes it more toe weighted! Your kidding! Wow! A putter with equal mass in front and behind the hosel would be balanced? Wow again-what a concept. Well thanks for breaking down the weighting of the putter head. We didn't understand it before. Everything certainly makes more sense after you analize it OP. Bravo!



I don't post much, but am compelled to reply here in defense of our friend One Planer (although I know he's quite capable of doing so himself if he felt the need).

I believe most folks here consider OP to be a good guy and a tremendous source of info for all things golf.  He obviously knows of what he speaks and furthermore, he has the credentials to back it up.  He takes time to explain things to people purely for the enjoyment of helping them improve.  For this, you feel the need to ridicule him?

If he "dumbs" things down a bit, I'm sure it's because he doesn't assume any certain level of knowledge for the broad audience represented here, and therefore applies the "lowest common denominator" theory.

I don't know much about you (and don't want to based upon what little I've seen), but I would venture a guess that OP has forgotten more about the golf swing than you'll ever know.

Keep 'em coming OP, you've got a lot of fans out here!
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price, everywhere your posts are pointed out to me by someone else on the forums, there is an extremely arrogant and derrogatory nature to them. If you'd like to continue being a member here, please tone it down significantly. Your comments like the one above offer NOTHING constructive whatsoever. Other forums may be ran like the "wild, wild west", but this one is not and any more posts like the one will not be tolerated.
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Thanks, Billy and Chuck, for the comments.  I responded a little bit too much in kind in another thread, for which I apologize to Price and to the rest of the group.  Life's too short, etc, etc. 

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Again apologies to OP and all others. I am constructive and coopertive in real life, and will be so in this forum from here on out. When I use sarcasm and cynisism in real life, I can do so with a smile on my face. I usually generate laughs as I really don't take myself too seriously, and my friends know when I'm trying to be funny and not be personal. I did cross a few boundries, so again-my sincerest appologies.

Back to topic. I think the method of how you putt effects the putter that may be best for you. I let my arms hang straight-similar to the way PHil Mickelson does(even though he uses a heel shafted putter). I feel like this allows me to just take the putter straight back and through with minimum influence on path and face rotation. I feel more confident, which is one of the biggest factors in making more putts.

If you hold the putter with bent elbows creating the triangle look of the arms and chest, the club moves more around your body, inside to inside of the target line, and it make more sense to carry a heel shafted putter that opens and closes to the target line.

Again, I personaly have a hard time trusting the face rotation of the heel shafted putter- visually, it just looks too wide open and too closed, and I feel like any mistake in the timing of that rotation will send my putt off line. I am the only player in my usual foursome and one of the only putters in my club to use the CS putter so I'm definately in the minority on this. Again I just wanted to know why others chose their putter, whatever model it is. 

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