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    Posted: 08 October 2006 at 4:10pm
Chuck,

What is your key (s) or feeling to keeping the shoulders closed early on in the downswing?  Not to put words in your mouth, but Haney in his book says let the arms drop away from the upper body as the upper body 'stays' turned at the top.

Is that about it?  Just something that has to be engrained through practice?


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 If I'm understanding you correctly, I would say just the opposite. The arms and club should be the last things to come down.  ABT ftw.

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Mike, your lower body has to shift laterally while your upper body remains quiet. The body does very little in a two plane swing so the arms are much more active. As the body shifts laterally the arms can fall or be swung down to approach the ball from the inside.
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Originally posted by Chuck Quinton Chuck Quinton wrote:

Mike, your lower body has to shift laterally while your upper body remains quiet. The body does very little in a two plane swing so the arms are much more active. As the body shifts laterally the arms can fall or be swung down to approach the ball from the inside.


I will work on this. Thanks.
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MikeC,

A good drill to feel what the shoulders and arms do on the downswing:

Stand with your back about 18" from a wall, and take a backswing without hitting the wall.  On the downswing, keep the clubhead on the wall while shifting your hips and and letting your arms drop.  The clubhead will "drag" against the wall about 12-18" or so.. this will give you the feeling of keeping the shoulders "closed" as you arms drop to appraoch the ball from the inside.  Good Luck!

 

 

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It's so strange for me to be reading this because I've spent the past year and a half trying to UN-learn how to keep the shoulders closed and get them open! It's so much more natural to me to fire the lower body and let the arms just drop down on top of the ball. If it weren't for the dreaded stuck position (hips go laterally, back shoulder tilts down, arms get stuck back there somewhere) I'd never change. I have a theory that some of this has to do with the fact that I'm predominantly right handed but play golf LH. Something about firing the left side through (I throw RH) has always felt unnatural.
 
Anyway, MC, good luck with the transition. Interested to hear how it goes.
 
CQ, are you swinging Haney full-time now?
 
I played with a mini-tour guy yesterday who used to hit the odd hook and he's now aggressively rotating the clubface off the ball and ripping through it with not the slightest hint of the lefts. He shot a very easy -3 on a difficult track and says everything changed for him when he realized he wouldn't hook 'em anymore.
 
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Lefty, I've always rotated the club off the ball, just not to the same extent I am doing now in my preshot routine. I got what I wanted to learn out of Haney's swing and right now I'm taking a break from technique to get ready for a Member/Member tournament at the end of the month, so I don't know what I'm actually doing in my swing, just what I do in my drills and preshot routine. I do like the rotation off the ball because I tend to get across the line and that takes care of it for me, but I don't like the fact that it's basically an "all arms" swing. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I prefer to use my body for power and rotation of the body as this makes my swing feel more effortless.
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I couldn't agree more that it's all arms. I also think there's timing there to worry about, or at least think about (no room for twitching muscles). I made a mini-breakthrough on the turning today, hit a drive 330, just smashed it down the middle and I just don't see that sort of power without the rotation of the body. I hit some really solid shots when I concentrated on my left shoulder going down and out at the ball AND the back of my right (lead) hand being straight at impact. Now, I know impact happens quickly, but it was just a thought and it worked well, serving also to keep my hands behind as they have an urge to get in front. Anyway, it's nice to be back in the flow of things.
 
Good luck with the Member/Member and watch out for those sandbaggers!
 
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Originally posted by Lefty Lefty wrote:


 
Anyway, MC, good luck with the transition. Interested to hear how it goes.
 


Not really going over to the two plane moves because I still like the one plane rotary moves. Had my hands and club going too far inside on BS and thought I should immediately start feeling some two plane moves. Which was wrong. Rotary with hands and club working club back on plane still is the easiest and simplest for me.
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