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Originally posted by gwlee7 gwlee7 wrote:

Another key to this short game stuff is to be content with using the "plain vanilla" shot whenever you can.   I can hit all of the shots needed but will sometimes get "too cute" and cost myself a shot when it could have been avoided.  That said however, I rarely use the "Texas wedge" unless I am just off the green.  I would rather chip the ball instead of putt from the fringe in most cases. 


Interesting, Greg.  When I was down at Kingsmill this year with the Mrs watching the LPGA we sat near one green and watched 4 or 5 groups work through.  About 1/2 of the gals ended up just on the fringe with 15-20 feet uphill to the hole.  Every last one of them chipped.  Angela Stanford was only 2" or so onto the fringe and she chipped it in.  One would think the steady play would be to putt.  But, that non-scientific sampling of Pros thought differently.


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If you get proficiant with chipping, the basic chip is actually a little easier because you don't have to play as much break.  Plus you don't have worry about the possibility of a bounce in the fringe.  I also rarely putt from the fringe.  Then again, I'm wierd when it comes to my short game (wierd wedge setup mainly). 
 
I agree that one of the main principles to a consistant short game is the KISS theory.  If you don't need to hit it in the air, don't. 
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Lots of excellent thoughts and advice there guys, thank you.

It's true what you say, Archie, it may be time to accept where my game is until I have the time to dedicate to the short game. I did see progress yesterday by keeping the ball low though. I may not have got up and down any more, but I got a lot closer and had a few more gimme's therefore had to work less hard.

Spuddy, your putting stats are identical to mine. I doubt many guys in the vault in single figures are taking 33-36 putts a round.

Magic, I've tried the putting stroke approach and hated it. Gave it plenty of time to feel right, but never felt in control of the club. It maybe that the old fella is just plain talented and his mechanics have little to do with it?

Ray, what did you mean exactly by "feeling the weight"?

As for the Texas wedge, well, this is a shot I never felt comfortable with, but have started playing now I have a heavier putter. I must admit I like it and will be experimenting with it for a while.


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Actually, all depends on the putter, as SK said. If you use a high MOI head, and feel well such a tool, putting from the fringe or even from a fairway is a sound option (less margin of errors). True, that when chipping the break does not matter so much...but when you can read breaks relatively well it's a better option for myself.
Having said that - with a light putter combo (e.g. that I use on courses with fast greens) I try to avoid putting from the fringe (unless it's a downhill putt) since my feel of the stroke power is much smaller.
 
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Ray, what did you mean exactly by "feeling the weight"?

SK,
  Hold the club in your right hand only, with a soft grip and "feel the weight" of the clubhead as you move it back and forth.  That programs the brain to swing the clubhead   and feel it for the chip shot.  It's the opposite end of the spectrum from giving it a death grip and mechanically hitting at the ball. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gwlee7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2007 at 6:41pm
If you really want to go "non-mechanical" just try chipping the ball under an imaginary  bench.   You'll be amazed at how crisply you start hitting your chips.
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Thanks, Ray.

I've heard Chuck use that visual before, Greg. What kinda bench are we talking about?
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Piano bench, park bench etc.  Something that only has about 2, 2 1/2 feet of clearance under it.  The idea is to keep it on a lower trajectory.

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The golf gods smiled on me this weekend and my short game was better than it has been the past few rounds resulting in an 85 for a 15 handicapper which is ok.  I got up and down 4 of 5 attempts and 33 putts!  Part of this I owe to a tip from someone here to practice putting with just my back hand.  I did this during the week and my follow through was much better.  Thanks!  The only negative was 2 attempted sand saves that resulted in double boggies when I flew the green!  I have to practice to hit sand shots well.  
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