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    Posted: 01 December 2010 at 12:08pm
I currently am a 9 handicap with driver SS of 105 - 110 depending on day. I hit a 7 iron 165. I have been playing a set of G15 irons with stock AWT stiff shafts for about 4 months. My misses have always been a pull hook and these seem to make it worse. I don't have good fitters within 80 miles of me and try to fit myself. I am only 5'7" with fairly long arms (31.75" floor to fingers). So I bought these Pings with std lie (black) and 1/4" short. I have now did the Ping Web fit and it says I should have purple lie (1.5 flat), 1/4" short and stiff shaft.
 
I have a few questions:
1) Should I go to I15 irons for less offset and smaller head
2) Will flatter lie help much with shots going left?
3) Should I stay with stock AWT shafts or go with the Z-Z65 or KB Tour shafts?
4) Should I look at another set of irons and shaft combo all together?
 
Thanks for any help I can get.
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Hello,
Custom clubfitting is nothing like the Oem`s are trying to make it seem like. What they are selling you is not even close to what a proffesional clubfitter will do for you

1. chaging clubhead into a smaller head will not affect your pullhook if all other parameters stay the same. This is one of the main problems with bying and trying (not testing) golfclubs you buy from the Oem`s) because so many of the parameters change in between the different sets so one really doesn`t know what affects what. Offset might have som insignificant effect, but it sounds like it is somehting more major than offset that is the problem.

2.Adjusting the lie angle only helps if your clubs are too upright, you can check your divots or do a test with lie angle tape. The divots or marks on the tape should be square and centered on the clubface.

3. Here you might be touching on the real issue but it depends on the weight of the shafts you have now and if this is the real problem. The total weight, balancepoint and MOI of the hole club can be a factor to you coming into the ball with a shut clubface and maybe even from slightly from the outside even if that is really unususal to a pull hook. It is normally a shut clubface that causes this problem. Golf clubs often affect the technique but in irons i do believe the ballflight you are talking about often is related to swing faults not coused by the clubs, but it might be a correlation so it is worth checking out. If the above parameters are wrong they might cause a player to release the club early or late depending on the player.

4. Chosing a clubhead should be done on your ballstriking ability and angles of attack. Steep angle of attack needs a clubhead with a higher center of gravity and vice versa, but poor ballstriking addicts a bigger clubhead that is more forgiving. Usually a player that is able to strike proparly down on the ball also strikes it better so a more blade tyoe of head is possible but absolutely no must. Chosing a shaft needs testing with proper testclubs. These clubs should be breaded to be totally similar except for the different shaft. AKA, same length, stiffness, club MOi, same clubhead and loft etc. There are very few places where this can be done (sorry). 

What can be said is that you will get some feedback from testing different clubs from a shop but you will never really know what you tested because they differ so much. Some shafts are lighter and the clubheads differ in production weights as well, therefor the MOI of the club changes and the balancepoint changes as well. These to parameters have a major impact on how well you strike the ball and how your perception of the club will be.  This will affect which club/shaft you think is the better,  and still it just might be that this balancepoint and MOI fitted you better or worse, and this "right/wrong" setup might be achieved with many different shafts by adding or removing some weight or even adjusting the length with just fractions of an inch.

Clubfitting is more complicated than one might think and on top of this we but a human beeing in the middle of it allSmile  If you want to learn more buy Tom Wishons book "Common Sense Clubfitting" that is a good learning experiance. If you don`t wanna do that I seriously would recommend to contact a proffesional clubfitter, especially if you want to have more fun and become a better golfer. I am quite shure if you contact Wishon Golf they will help you find a good clubfitter somewhere not to far away. Remember the clubs you buy from a proffesional will last for many years to come and the investment is well worth it.


Hope you find some clubs you can enjoy in the future.


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Thanks very much for the help. I am going to contact Wishon to find a clubfitter.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LowPost42 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2010 at 8:39pm
I don't really know what else I can add to geronimo's exposition, except you may want to try a true-length techonology fitter @ http://www.danscustomgolfshop.com/clubmaker_directory.html
or someone associated with the Association of Golf Clubfitting Professionals @ http://www.agcplocator.com/html/united_states.html
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