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    Posted: 01 June 2005 at 10:27am

 Well good ol' Chuck has given us a short game section on how to chip! Given all the questions this area of the game has generated it should get busy in here! I carry 3 to 4 wedges in the bag depending on the course.

 My pitching set up is from a slightly open stance with my inside of my heels equal with the outside of my hips for a 50 yard pitch. I focus on bringing my whole upper body back in unison keeping my arms close to my side with soft hands . For the downswing I just turn everything in unison back toward my target. It works but at times I can loose control of my distance. I would be interested in hearing about diffrent approaches on the short game that are close to the one plane technique!

 My chipping is done with one club abd that is the 7-iron. I have seen all the carry to roll charts for every club in the bag but to me that stuff seems unreliable given weather & terrain conditions can alter this from hour to hour! I feel that using one club to get the ball on the ground & rolling as quickly as possible is the way to go! I lso think it develops a really good feel for that one club I never could understand someone who on one hole will chip with a 8 iron and on the next chip with a 5?!!? As for my chipping I place the ball slightly in back of center take a few mini swings to generate a feel for the distance I need and let it roll!

 I would like to hear from others and their approach to the short game since it is the one area of the game that allows total creativity!!!



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I follow the Dave Pelz approach to the short game. That is, imagine that you are standing on a clock face and your left arm(if you are right handed) is the hour hand on the clock. Practice dialling in your wedges from three key positions. The 7.30, 9.00 and 10.30 positions ie. the quarter, half and three quarter swing positions give you 3 distances with each wedge. That's 9-12 distances(depending on whether you have 3 or 4 wedges) from inside around 130yds that you can rely on under pressure.

Practising this technique definitely helped me to shave a few shots off my handicap.The hands are also passive just like in the 1PS.

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 What type of swing do you use for the short game? Do you turn your whole upper body in unison or do you come from the ground up? I have been toying wtih a technique from Jimmy Ballard which is similar to the one plane. I start the backswing with the left arm, pinned to the chest, for a little then the shoulders take over naturaly. When I get to where I need to be I just kick the rear knee toward the target this in effect releases the upper body and the result is a nice delicate pitch! I'M still toying with it need to experiment & practice more with this to see how reliable it is....The attraction of it is it is similar to the one plane and the more you can keep every swing for every shot the same the better you will be in the long run....
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Crackshot & Spuddy09,

I'm with you on the Pelz thing.  I have had success in blending it with the one-plane swing.  As for chipping, I always use a gap wedge unless the pin is cut close to the edge and I'm on the short side, then I use the lob wedge.

P.S. Great to see the short game and putting section, thanks Chuck!



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The wedge game for me is the same swing fundamentals as my full swings with other clubs.  I swing back and through.  My focus is on keeping my torso turning left through the shot.  The arms are passive.  I like the results I'm getting from this.  Much more controlled shots.  If I want to hit the same wedge just a bit further, my backswing stays the same length and I just fire my core a bit harder through impact. 

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One swing, 14 clubs
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Has anyone tried the approach to pitching briefly described by Stan Utley in the latest edition of Golf Digest (or was it Golf?).  His idea (as I understand it) is: (1) line up square to the target (instead of open)(2) take the club back inside (instead of outside) while rotating the forearm and hinging the right elbow (sound familiar?) (3) initiating the forward swing with a slight turning of the hips and, finally (4) turning everything (hips, shoulders) on a level plane (instead of tilting).  He claims that he taught it to Peter Jacobson, who feels it is very consistent with the 1ps. I'm not sure how how different it is from Pelz, but I like the idea of getting the club inside and up quickly, then turning on a level plane - I seem to hit it more consistenly (if a little lower than I'd like).   Anyone else tried this?
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     I have adopted Annika's method of chipping, which she learned from Tiger.  All short chips around the green are done with a lob wedge.  You can count on one hop, ball checks up and minimum roll.  The more I use this method the better I get.  Gone is all the decisions on club selection, grab the lob wedge and fly it to the hole.  With a little practise anybody can learn precision with this method.  -Ted

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Nayra-

I too am giving Utley's deal a try, and I think the similarity between him and Hardy is striking in some ways.  I saw his first appearance on Academy Live and was intrigued.  Then he came out with his first article in Golf Digest in early 2004 (look it up on their website under the archives), and one of the things he advocated was swinging the club back more inside on an arc than right up on plane.  I was a "right up on plane" guy and had an instant aversion to coming back inside with any kind of club, and I kind of lost interest in him, despite his unquestioned success with many people. 

Coincidentally, as I was beginning to give the 1PS a determined try a month or so ago, Golf Digest came out with a cover story on "feel", and Utley had another article in there.  I initially glanced at it, but kind of passed on by because of my earlier lack of enthusiasm.  Then, lo and behold, Hardy and Jacobson show up on Academy Live again (a few weeks ago, actually before the Utley article, but I taped it and didn't get to view it until a week later).  Well, on that broadcast, Hardy uncharacteristically includes a little pitch swing demo.  He talks about and demonstrates swinging on an arc, and guess who he looks just like, taking it back inside?  Utley, of course.  That sent me back to the Golf Digest articles, and I've been giving it a try ever since.

You have to understand that I am a hacker and just trying to find a way to make consistent good contact on these shots (95% of my problem is in my HEAD, and I'm really working on that).  But I think I'm getting the hang of it and one thing I have noticed as a byproduct is that the dreaded "lateral shot" that often showed up in my earlier practice sessions doing it the old way has now disappeared. 

I really like the idea that his style fits in so well with the 1PS.  He is also a believer, as OnePutt4Me is, in using the lob wedge all the time.  He believes that it is tremendously versatile, and said he really enjoys showing students of all skill levels how to utilize it and its bounce  correctly.

One thing he says that I think certainly applies to me is that he hates to see people take it up and out and closed, because he doesn't want people to have to recover from that on the way down (no doubt, this has been a death move for me).  That's one reason he wants it taken back on an arc.

Make no mistake, I'm not there yet, but I'm continuing to work on it and really think it is intriguing material for 1PS swingers.  This is a subject that I would love to see more Forum members respond to (maybe we should have a separate topic altogether for Utley under the Short Game section).  I am very interested to know if anyone else is trying him out and what success they are having (or not).

I have great respect for Pelz, by the way, and know that many people have been successful with his stuff, but I keep wandering off plane and off-tempo with his "Finesse Swing".  My fault, I'm sure, not his.

Of course, there is the little war going on out on tour between the Pelz putting method and Utley's arc, but that's for another discussion.

Sorry this is so long, guys, it's all Nayra's fault for bringing it up. Wink

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Oneputt4me

I read the Haney article yesterday and practiced using the lob wedge only with great results.  Much easier to be aggressive as the ball will always check and not roll out too far.  I also squared up my stance and used a mini version of the OP swing.  From varying distances, it was fairly easy to get the ball well within 1-putt range.  Thanks for the Good post.

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