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The KEY SECRETS to Creating Lag Swing Video

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Topic: The KEY SECRETS to Creating Lag Swing Video
Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Subject: The KEY SECRETS to Creating Lag Swing Video
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:39am
Here it is:

http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfbiomechanics/creating-golf-swing-lag.php - http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfbiomechanics/creating-golf-swing-lag.php


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Posted By: sicneill
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 1:35pm
So it wasn't the hat after all....  Wink
 
 
Good explanation. Coupling this with the hip spinners video will make this much easier to accomplish.


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Posted By: renoaz
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 2:16pm
CQ

Would working on the "INCREASE YOUR LAG DRILL" in phase 5 of RS1 give me similar results?
Looks like a lot of good info. using the impact bag.



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Posted By: finncox23
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 3:39pm
Chuck,
 
Is the only real difference as the clubs get longer possibly pre-setting a little more spine tilt (e.g., "Bomb your Driver"), and then still feeling like your shoulders stay "level" to that pre-set position??  Aside from that, we're still "pulling our right arm down" even with drivers and fairway woods?
 
In other words, we should still never feel like we "swing up" with the Driver, even when we are trying to hit it on the upswing?


Posted By: cardiogolfer
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:57pm
CQ,
How does the left oblique pulling motion fit into the sequencing of the transition and downswing? Not much has been commented on this specifically during the downswing videos. Is the left oblique an active motion or passive result of the arms coming down properly into impact ?  Does the left oblique pulling promote hip spinning?


Posted By: rufdiggity
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:33pm
I was just doing this drill in my basement tonight and I noticed that I felt a lot of strain on my right wrist trying to keep that lag position where the club is parallel with only using my right arm.  Is this something that takes time to build up the strength if you were a person who never really kept this lag in the swing?  I broke that wrist when I was younger and it has always been considerably weak and I have compensated over the years in sports that I play.  I checked to make sure I had my wrists cocked instead of hinged too.  Just curious if this is sort of normal.

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Posted By: moneyu1
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 10:39am
Regarding the left oblique....I feel this is an active movement for me. This is key for me to squaring to the ball (without any manipulation) while try to keep the feeling of the shoulders closed. My issues before (as a lot of people, I am sure) was instead of pulling the left oblique, i was rotating the hips and ripping the shoulders open. So from the top of the swing, I try to visualize my shoulders being concrete blocks (staying in the box) and from my hips down to my feet are very passive almost jelly like once I set on my left glute.


Posted By: golfloopy
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 10:54am
I just started working on the drill...

When moving to using two hands, should I feel that I'm "pressing down" with the base of my left hand as I approach the horizontal club position just prior to release?


Posted By: pauledel
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 5:08pm
Chuck,

Can you touch on the right elbow flexion relative to this drill?  Is it a gradual straightening of the flexion?  Also can you note any relationships or similarities between the throw the ball drill and lag drill?

Also you mention that the centripetal force that causes the lag to be lost is primarily caused by an overactive left side.  Why do so many instructors believe that this fault is associated to an overactive right side action?  Can you elaborate?

Thanks
Paul


Posted By: gregg
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 9:31pm
this post is my problem on the downswing big time

my weight also goes towards my toes and not hard enough towards my left heel.   And then a terrible spin out of my hips to square up the club.   The takeaways seem to be to keep your shoulders feeling closed, a weight shift instead of a turn until very late, and the core doing the work more than your hips to square the club.  A lot to coordinate!


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Posted By: dschultz6072
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 10:37pm
my take on this issue is it helps the feeling of remembering to keep your arms inside the box, ie in front of your chest, and making sure your shoulders never outrace your arms.  this drill promotes not spinning the hell out of your shoulders from the top, and rather just making a good sequence where your arms swing through before your shoulders open up as they release. 

before i came across this drill, i would just try to drop my left arm and keep my shoulders facing away from the target, letting the shoulders open up naturally as my right forced my left to open at impact.  however, i had too much feeling of a half-powered swing, so i'm very glad this drill was posted. 


Posted By: Chuck Quinton
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 9:01am
renoaz, you can couple those two drills, the new one is more specifically the exact "HOW" of how to do it.

finncox, you can add a little tilt or move the ball slightly forward for the longer clubs, while working to maintain the same feelings.

cardio, it's there during the transition and then mellows it. Some golfers still need to focus on it because they don't do it enough. However, most of my students over do it so I tend to focus less on it.

ruf, while you're doing this drill slow, you may notice some strain on the back of the right wrist and that is normal. You won't feel this during the swing, just while you're going slow and trying to support the weight of the club.

golfloopy, don't over do it, you don't need to really feel anything in the left hand.

paul, it's gradually extending to full extension just after impact. For your second question, it can also be caused by pushing from the right side, but that's not the origin of movement for most, it just appears that way visually to some.




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Posted By: flapro
Date Posted: 23 October 2010 at 9:15am
I use the pump drill alot when I am feeling early release to ingrain lag. Also, I like to feel like the butt end(handle) of the club is pointing down at the ball and through to the target line before impact. With irons, these drills have me hitting ball first crisp irons. With driver however these drills can cause me to hit fades.
Hope this makes sense.

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Posted By: t_mac1213
Date Posted: 28 October 2010 at 8:48pm
love the new video. exactly what i need in my golf swing. im having a little bit of trouble on "feel)ing" exactly what the right arm and wrist is supposed to do even though chuck explained it in his video. im getting close to it but if the dude in the video saw such a huge difference in just 10 min then i feel like i can to. heres a vid of me hitting a 6 iron (knockdown which is why the ball is so far back in my stance. super windy) my hands are leading the club descent here but i know i can get a little more lag . i do get the occasional fat shot due to this problem. help!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0raF4kP6Q


Posted By: gregg
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 5:46am
this is a very good set of keys-----

i'm a hip spinner big time and this sort of hits all of the latest CQ videos


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Posted By: rayvil01
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 6:32am
Originally posted by t_mac1213 t_mac1213 wrote:

love the new video. exactly what i need in my golf swing. im having a little bit of trouble on "feel)ing" exactly what the right arm and wrist is supposed to do even though chuck explained it in his video. im getting close to it but if the dude in the video saw such a huge difference in just 10 min then i feel like i can to. heres a vid of me hitting a 6 iron (knockdown which is why the ball is so far back in my stance. super windy) my hands are leading the club descent here but i know i can get a little more lag . i do get the occasional fat shot due to this problem. help!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0raF4kP6Q
Very athletic swing.  Good-looking move.
 
Have you tried the right-hand-only swing?  It's a mind-blower for a while.  But, it gets to be fun after a couple of weeks.  The other drill I've been doing in conjunction with this is using my daughters old hula-hoop to engrain pulling down and getting the hands out in front.   Sounds silly enough.  But, I'm finding it to be helpful.
 
Regards.
 
 


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Posted By: t_mac1213
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 11:49am
i havent tried hitting balls with just my right arm. i can never hit a ball haha


Posted By: joeunc
Date Posted: 29 October 2010 at 3:17pm
I struggle with a flip for a long time and this thought of dropping the right arm down is helping me get better compression. But one big caveat!!!
   You better keep the shoulders close coming down as he said, if those shoulders spin out, your hands go left too soon a and you get a face pointing straight and a path way left (out to in )
You wind up with a dead square face, ball contact in the center, but a shot that goes out to the right.




Posted By: Bald7Iron
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 5:39am
Chuck,

I presume this 'Creating lag' video' is meant for the RST group.
Are there any pitfalls in creating lag for the RS1 group (Oneplanenrs) ?

Robert.
 


Posted By: renoaz
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 11:09am
Robert

I asked CQ a similar question about RS1 lag drills earlier in this post, see Chucks reply below;
Hope this helps.

CQ

"Would working on the"PENETRATING BALL FLIGHT DRILL" in phase 3 and "INCREASE YOUR LAG DRILL" in phase 5 of RS1 give me similar results?
Looks like a lot of good info. using the impact bag."


"renoaz, you can couple those two drills, the new one is more specifically the exact "HOW" of how to do it."


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Posted By: acmak1
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 8:59pm
Rayvil

How are you doing he hoop drill?


Posted By: rayvil01
Date Posted: 04 November 2010 at 5:05am
Originally posted by acmak1 acmak1 wrote:

Rayvil

How are you doing he hoop drill?
 
Don't have time this morning to find a picture...but, take a hula hoop, get in posture, go to the top of the backswing gripping the hoop and do Chuck's "pull-down drill" from top of backswing to in front of the thigh while keeping the hoop in the same plane.  It's some visual reinforcement while performing the drill.  I've found it to be useful. 


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