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    Posted: 24 January 2008 at 3:45pm
Has anyone out there read Stan Utley's short game book?  I am reading it now and it seems that a lot of his principles are in line with rotary swing thinking.  His method is different with what I am used to but I like the concept of being more rotary throughout my bag.  I plan on giving it a try when the weather warm a little.  
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Jepp, read it now and I agree.
This more rotational and lower body active thinking fits me very well.
 
I read the putting book as well earlier and liked some of the thoughts, but since I have a more SBST stroke all did not fit me.
 
I highly recommend this short game book.  Regardless of swing there are gems to discover therein.
 
I did test it on my carpet and it gave very crisp contact on my very closely mowed "fairway".
 
Good book !


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I agree. I liked the short game book, especially the chapter on bunker play. However, since I play with a face balanced putter, my stroke has always been SBST and not on an arc.
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I also read the putting book and follow that to a degree.  It's interesting that if you watch the pros they all appear to use a short game style similar to what Utley teaches.  I have also read both of Peltz's Bibles (long cold winters!) and it seems that while he is still popular on the Golf Channel his teachings are in less favor now. 
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The problem I see with Pelz' book is the fact that to go purely SBST and keep the face square at all times you actually have to close the face on the backstroke and open it on the thru stroke - the result for me is pulled putts, I just can't bring myself to open it on the down/thru stroke. Atleast that's my take on it. If you take it SBST with a rotating face I see that as being more natural thant SBST Pelz style. I've seen Utley once or twice, it really intrigues me. Sounds much more rotational, a natural arc. Just my 2p.
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Take a putter, grip way down on it and stick the butt end against your stomach while standing straight up so that the putter shaft is parallel to the floor.   Turn your chest back and forth and the putter moves with the face of it perpendicular to the ground.  The hands and arms DO NOTHING other than hold the club.  Get into putting posture and repeat, that's an arc swing.  Chuck's "7-iron" drill for putting "Unitizes" the arms and chest...the same feeling as having the putter butt against the stomach. The hardest part of it is to get into proper alignment and posture...and keep the hands and arms from becoming active.

In the Pelz method, the arms have to rotate constantly in order to stay square to the target line.  Not only that, the space between the hands and the torso have to incrementally increase on the way back and decrease on the way forward to impact, then increase through the follow-through. 

Anything is possible.  So someone can groove Pelz's move.  But, arc-putting is much, much simpler. 
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I agree completely with what you write ray.
I don't think my putting stroke is  pure SBST. It only feels that way to me, especially on short putts. However, on lag putts, the putter does arc somewhat. I just purchased a 'Z-factor' perfect putting device a la Fore Inventors( Golf Channel). I have it set on the slightest arc, and this suits me fine.
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Guys
 
You're not understanding Pelz' method correctly.
Ray, the arms don't rotate constantly, in fact there is NO forearm rotation just as there isn't any in Utleys method.
TheIdiot, you don't open and close the clubface in the stroke.
I've used Pelz's method for the last couple of years, used to putt using Utleys method previous to that.
The big thing about Pelz' PILS stroke is that you don't rotate around your spine, as in Rays anlaogy of standing with the putter in your stomach, but you have your hands directly under your shoulders and you move your shoulders on a VERTICAL plane..If you do this your hands move back and through in a straight line..If you then don't rotate your forearms the putter face will stay square to that line..Once you understand this and get the hang of it, which doesn't take long, it's an extremely good way to putt...It took me a little while to adjust iniitially to moving my shoulders in this way, 'cos it's very different from the rest of golf technique, but it's totally ingrained in me these days.Once you understand both techniques they're just as simple to groove as each other..
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Originally posted by colin.earl colin.earl wrote:

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You're not understanding Pelz' method correctly.
Ray, the arms don't rotate constantly, in fact there is NO forearm rotation just as there isn't any in Utleys method.
TheIdiot, you don't open and close the clubface in the stroke.
I've used Pelz's method for the last couple of years, used to putt using Utleys method previous to that.
The big thing about Pelz' PILS stroke is that you don't rotate around your spine, as in Rays anlaogy of standing with the putter in your stomach, but you have your hands directly under your shoulders and you move your shoulders on a VERTICAL plane..If you do this your hands move back and through in a straight line..If you then don't rotate your forearms the putter face will stay square to that line..Once you understand this and get the hang of it, which doesn't take long, it's an extremely good way to putt...It took me a little while to adjust iniitially to moving my shoulders in this way, 'cos it's very different from the rest of golf technique, but it's totally ingrained in me these days.Once you understand both techniques they're just as simple to groove as each other..
 
Colin,
 
I do understand the method. To be honest I haven't given it that much of my time, when I did I went severely downhill so got out my Bob Rotella and bam bam bam. But I do think it makes sense - but to me, golf isn't sense! Yes SBST sounds easiest but to keep the blade square it seems to me like you have to close it on the way back and then open it on the way thru. I can get what feels like a good backstroke using Pelz' method - I just focus on dead hands and arms - but I always seems to pull the damn things!! For the shoulders to rotate vertically, perpendicular to the ground, I thought you had to bend over so you're parallel to the ground!!! From what I've read his swing isn't anatomically correct and "Perfy" isn't anatomically correct either.
I may be doing it wrong, probably am, but that's why there's different strokes for different folks! And you gotta love the game!!!
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I've tried both and Utley wins by a mile. It's such a natural way to putt and Pelz's book was also mind blowingly boring. If you have a face balanced putter though, it won't work half as well. I have a Ping Pal 4 and it's perfect for Utley's method. 
 
I've just read Utley's short game book and with my first attempt with his chipping method, my distance contorol was phenominal. I love the feel that both his putting and short game methods give you.


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