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    Posted: 28 March 2006 at 5:23pm

To help provide a more clear understanding of the two swings, I video's myself making some swings that have more two plane traits and put them side by side so you can see the differences in the two.

First, address:

You can see that a two planer can stand a bit taller at address on the right whereas the one plane swing on the left needs a more tilted spine. However, note that two planers such as the great Hale Irwin actually have a fair bit of tilt at address. In general, it helps to keep everything more in sync if you don't have a lot of spine tilt because you won't be coiling against your hips so much as you won't be resisting the turn.

 

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During the takeaway, you can start to see some differences. First, the clubface is still pointing more at the ball and is square to the plane line as I take the club back. The handle of the club is working more into my right pocket and my arms are working more into my body.

In the two plane takeaway on the right, the toe is rotating into a more toe up position and my arms are working more down the target line. Ideally, when the club is halfway back and parallel to the ground, the left arm should still be angled more straight down, but you can see that my left arm is already starting to work more into my body a little early in the swing.

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This next one will take two pictures:

The first picture shows a zoomed in section of the clubhead when it is halfway back. What I want to point out there is that the club is in a "toe up" position. It has also stayed outside my hands. In the second picture you can see that the club has still stayed outside my hands but the toe of the club is angled inward, more closely matching my spine angle. Also note how there is more bend in my right elbow in the one plane swing where as my right arm is more straight at this point in a two plane swing. Ideally, my arms would be more out in front of me here in the two plane swing and my left arm would be straight up and down.

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Next step:

In either swing, I like to see the club go right through the middle of the right forearm as it works its way up past being parallel to the ground. This shows that the golfer still has the club on plane and hasn't excesssively rolled his wrists early in the takeaway nor performed any other manipulation with the hands at this point in the swing.

 

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At 9 oclock, you can see how much more my left arm is low and across my chest in the one plane swing when compared to the two plane swing. I'm working to get my arms behind my body as much as I can in the one plane swing, in the two, I'm working to keep them in front of my body as much as possible. I didn't do a good job here, ideally my hands would more in front of the buttons on my shirt in the two plane swing, so here I have let my arms drift a little too far inside.

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At the top of the swing, some differences become more obvious.

In the one plane swing, I've got my arms further behind my body and my left arm is low and tight across my chest. In the two plane swing, my arms are more in front of my body, although not ideal. In a perfect world, my hands would end up more directly over my right shoulder and my left arm would be more on plane with the top green line you see drawn. Note how my right elbow is more behind my body and pointing more back behind me in the one plane swing and it is pointing more in front of my body in the two plane swing. It is very important to try and keep your arms in front of your body throughout the swing.

Also note that the toe of my club is hanging more straight down in the two plane swing, or more open at the top when compared to the one plane swing.

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During the downswing, the same trends continue:

In the one plane swing, I'm rotating my chest as hard as I can while keeping my arms behind me. In the two plane swing, I'm working to get my hands back in front of my chest as soon as possible before beginning my rotation back toward the target, which I have failed here , but you can see how much more in front of my body they are when compared to the swing on the left. Note how you can see my shirt behind right arm in the two plane swing and you cannot in the one plane swing.

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Remember when I mentioned those right forearms in the backswing? Well, here they are again in the downswing:

Same thing, right through the middle, but you can also see how much further the club is behind me in the one plane swing when compared to the two plane swing. It is also coming in more open in the two plane swing which will require me to rotate it at impact to square the club.   Unfortunately for this swing, my right elbow is a bit too far behind my right hip for a two plane swing so I'm about to get a little stuck. Oh well, I never was a great two planer!

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At impact, you won't see a ton of differences for a couple reasons:

First, in the one plane swing, you can see a little more of my left arm at impact and my right elbow is slightly more behind my right hip. I didn't do a good job getting my arms more in front of my body, which all started during the takeaway and by the time I got to impact, it wasn't going to change much. My chest is rotated open to the target in both swings, although a touch more in the one plane swing, but it could be even more so. The goal in the two plane swing is to return everything back fairly close to where it was at address with the arms more in front of your body.

That should give you a fairly good idea of seeing the two differences side by side. I'm not a two planer and only spent about 15 minutes making myself swing like that, so it's not going to look perfect, but should be a good starting point.



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For those of you who are Vault members and are interested, I have posted the video of these two swings in the Vault here:

http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/oneplanemembers/two-plane/t wo-plane-swing.jsp

 

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