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    Posted: 28 December 2005 at 6:21am
I hook myself up with a Pro to improve my shotgame. My score had been in the mid 80's but sometime may balloon to high 90's due to poor chipping and i believe, my score would hit low 80's with a good chipping game.

I had been ok with the 6 8 10 system. but i really prefer to learn to play with one wedge.

Basically, he is a one 64* wedge for every shot within 60 yards ( except for bunker). Seen him practicing and he seem to play his shotgame pretty well.

So basically, had a in official lesson , what he called a Promotion lesson

Basically when playing a lob wedge close range chipping.

1) lower body is absolutely no movement. This is to make sure that the face of the lobwedge remain at the same openess and closeness throughout the swing. By moving the knees, the lobwedge would open its face on the downswing. causing the shot to be inconsistent. Move by rocking the shoulder. smoothly.

2.) My slowish long swing is not suitable for chipping, A chipping stroke should be short and accelerating like a jab.

3) its best to have very little divots ( shallow ) for chipping.

4) the more close the clubface, the more open the body.

5) Practice practice practice.

Question is, will this guy be a suitable coach for me, judging from the little tips he gave me? I've been through a few of Junk coach lately and he seems to be the only decent one i seen so far.

Any opinions appreciated.


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Originally posted by nuke99 nuke99 wrote:

I hook myself up with a Pro to improve my shotgame. My score had been in the mid 80's but sometime may balloon to high 90's due to poor chipping and i believe, my score would hit low 80's with a good chipping game.

I had been ok with the 6 8 10 system. but i really prefer to learn to play with one wedge.

Basically, he is a one 64* wedge for every shot within 60 yards ( except for bunker). Seen him practicing and he seem to play his shotgame pretty well.

So basically, had a in official lesson , what he called a Promotion lesson

Basically when playing a lob wedge close range chipping.

1) lower body is absolutely no movement. This is to make sure that the face of the lobwedge remain at the same openess and closeness throughout the swing. By moving the knees, the lobwedge would open its face on the downswing. causing the shot to be inconsistent. Move by rocking the shoulder. smoothly.

2.) My slowish long swing is not suitable for chipping, A chipping stroke should be short and accelerating like a jab.

3) its best to have very little divots ( shallow ) for chipping.

4) the more close the clubface, the more open the body.

5) Practice practice practice.

Question is, will this guy be a suitable coach for me, judging from the little tips he gave me? I've been through a few of Junk coach lately and he seems to be the only decent one i seen so far.

Any opinions appreciated.


I'm in favor of whatever works, but personally I don't like the idea of playing every chip/pitch with the same club, especially a lob wedge of 60* or more.  I've tried 60* wedges, but they just don't work for me.  Too many shots go left.  My steepest wedge is 56*. 

Around the greens, I believe in getting the ball on the ground and rolling it to the hole except in certain circumstances such as carrying the ball over a sharply sloping ridge or when a flop shot is obviously called for.  So, I'll play a variety of shots with approximately the same pace of swing but varying the club selection to land the ball on the green and let it release and roll to the hole.  The club selection can be anything from a 5 iron to a 56* wedge.

I also don't agree with what he told you about the stroke needing to be short and accelerating like a "jab".  I think the stroke should be nearly the same speed back and through with just slightly more speed through impact.  It's easier to judge and produce the weight required for the shot this way.  Contact will also be more consistent.  That's not to say that the swing should be long and "slowish".  It just needs to have some pace and rhythm.  Above all, don't decelerate.

Finally, I don't like the idea of keeping the lower body absolutely still.  I think it leads to rigidity and detracts from your rhythm and feel.  there shouldn't be a lot of lower body motion, particulary on the backswing.  It's best to keep about 60% of your weight on the front foot, but you'll see a lot of really good chippers and pitchers who let their body release slightly in the followthrough.  You notice it especially in the knees.

Shallow divots?  Yes.  Practice practice practice?  Absolutely.

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I second One Planer's thoughts about getting ball rolling, about a smooth action instead of a jab.  Here's my thought:  I have considered myself one of the worse chippers of all time.  My problem was sticking the cllub in the ground behind the ball, then next time I would flinch and blade the ball.  People would tell me to take my hands out of the shot, or they would tell me to just drop the club on the ball.  I finally had to figure out an action on my own.  I take the club back one-piece, I let the backswing end itself with a cocking action of the wrist.  When I go back through the chip the release is automatic.  So I think the bottom line is to develope an "action" that is repeatable.  Beware of all that free coaching.  Figure it out on your own.
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Most shorts are a short jabs, only burried flat lies need a more even stroke.

What i personally dont agree is a totally quiet lower body, because it rids me of my rhythm. Stan utley had suggested a rhythmatic lower body *knees as well.

his arguement is because he plays a 64 degrees wedge, when you release the body , you open up the wedge some and the ball would go up and spin too much.


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 I am in favor of using the same club for *most* chips and pitches. I switch it up occasionally if i'm not chipping well though. I usually chip and pitch with a 54 degree. I know exactly how that club reacts, and can judge it perfectly. If i have a ton of green, then i'll go to an 8iron, and of course if a tight pin with trouble in front, i'll flop it. I truly believe that different approaches work better for some people, so choose what is more comfortable for you. I'm thinking about changing my setup this year a little, and taking out the 60 all together. If i just carry a 54 and a 58, it would open a spot for a hybrid 2-iron.

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Thats exactly how i feel ...

i can do a 2/1  1/1 1/2 fly ratio with a single wedge.

if i need it be 1/3 i just pick up my pitching wedge.
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For me it all comes down to confidence in the club you have in your hand to do the job. I do know that I hit it closer and hole more chips when I get the ball rolling.

One thing I've definately found beneficial is to pick a club you are confident you can hit crisply without overcooking it. I feel one of the biggest causes of poor chipping is not accelerating through the ball for fear of hitting it too far.

This is where a bit of practice helps in knowing how far the ball will fly with each club will allow you to focus on where you think the ball needs to land to roll out to the hole. I'm always much more successful when I visualize the whole path of the ball to the hole and then identify a landing area and focus on hitting that.

Interesting there is talk about using more lower body in the shot as I've been experimenting with initiating the chip DS with a slight turn of the left hip. Results so far have been very positive.

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Playing every shot around the greens with one club is a BAD idea! Be inventive and take on board what some of the other guys say by getting the ball onto the green as soon as possible. Its much easier to make a putting stroke (with hands a little forward, ball off the back foot) with a 9,8,7, or even a 6 iron and roll it up than trying to land your lob wedge on a dime. For 50, 60 yard piches, use the Gary Player 'strike the match' way of thinking, this will encourage you to accelerate gently through the ball. 
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Using one club around the green will require more touch and a variety of swings. Using multiple clubs around the green you can have just one swing that applies to most situations.

I'm watching the short game DVD right now.

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 I don't agree with the "get it rolling asap" theory. I guess it might be easier, but if you're a descent chipper at all, you don't worry about that. I use my wedge for 90% of chips and short pitches because i know what it's going to do, how it will react on the green, and i don't have to worry about reading the green as much. I can go right at the pin most of the time and leave it within 5 feet. Now if there is a ton of green between you and the hole, using something less lofted can work well, and of course if you short-side yourself, you may have to flop one.

 Yesterday was interesting... played 36 holes, which in January is unheard of up here.   The greens were sooo wet though, that after a few holes i had to change my strategy. I used an 8 iron most of the day simply because the ball was checking up so much that it was almost like using a wedge.

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