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    Posted: 04 March 2006 at 3:10pm
Fellas, with regards to the short game and the variety of shots that it contains are there shots out there where you need to abandon our holy OPS principle of passive arms ? The flow chipping certainly works as a charm with passive arms, so does the bunker and 30-yard shot. How about the lob or flop ?

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 My flop shot and my bunker shot are pretty similar. I just hold the face open forever, so i guess you could say they are hands/arms manipulated. I certainly don't think about turning since I take the club much to the outside. 
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Originally posted by faktor99 faktor99 wrote:

Fellas, with regards to the short game and the variety of shots that it contains are there shots out there where you need to abandon our holy OPS principle of passive arms ? The flow chipping certainly works as a charm with passive arms, so does the bunker and 30-yard shot. How about the lob or flop ?


To keep it simple, I like to think of using my core and keeping passive arms for all shots. The short game is more about feel but the "dog still wags the tail." I think it is even more crucial in the short game to use the body to guide the club. I find that when I get too hand and arm oriented, I stab at the ball more and skull it or shank it.
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Originally posted by arbano1 arbano1 wrote:

... shank ...


I really think we should all agree not to ever use that word on this site. It sends chills down my spine and makes my forearms tingle.

To answer factors question: You can hit flop shots with a lot of wrist action but letting the core and not your arms swing the club.

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I guess that is what I really meant, if there are any shots where the core is not the engine of it all. I'm really focusing on using the core on all shots at the moment, and it feels reassuring that this seems to be how things should be done for all shots. I'll try and bury my old armsy short game six feet under from now on...

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I am using the core for everything but my putting now.  If you can putt with the core I'd like to know how, but I just can't seem to do it.

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Originally posted by 01ragtop 01ragtop wrote:

I am using the core for everything but my putting now.  If you can put with the core I'd like to know how, but I just can't seem to do it.

Belly button back, belly button through.  Keep your arms pressed against your sides.  "Strike the match" under the ball.  It works.

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Originally posted by 01ragtop 01ragtop wrote:


I am using the core for everything but my putting now.  If you can putt with the core I'd like to know how, but I just can't seem to do it.

Here is how I stumbled across putting with the core. First, start with a completely relaxed putting stroke. Let it flow like Chuck says. Get a very fluid feel. When I practiced just flowing I noticed my core muscles felt like they took turns "pushing and pulling" my body. So then I focused on isolating that feeling and just "flexing" those muscles to get the movement I wanted. You want to make sure you don't get all kinds of extra body movement into your stroke.
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I have tried putting with the core with mixed results. I had great distance control but sometimes pulled the shorter putts. I have wondered if I was the only one using the core to putt with and I see now that others have tried it also.

It seems to me that if we use the core for all swings, putting included, it would make our games more consistent. Maybe Chuck can answer this for us with his opinion.



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Originally posted by tcb6491 tcb6491 wrote:

I have tried putting with the core with mixed results. I had great distance control but sometimes pulled the shorter putts. I have wondered if I was the only one using the core to putt with and I see now that others have tried it also.

It seems to me that if we use the core for all swings, putting included, it would make our games more consistent. Maybe Chuck can answer this for us with his opinion.



I'm very skeptical of this putt with the core idea.  I don't see anyone on tour moving their core when they stroke putts.  They all strive to stay very still over the ball.

 

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