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    Posted: 18 June 2006 at 3:34pm

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I do apologize if this topic has already been covered on the Forum. Nevertheless, I guess it's a very important thing to understand and to follow, thus, I let myself to ask for our Forum Experts' opinions...

I am a recent believer of some of Pelz theories, however, in search of maximum simplifications (simplier = better) I have divided short game shots (from 70 meters range) into 2 general categories: bump&run chip shots and lob pitches. Provided the way to the pin is relatively flat (let's assume our ball lays always on short grass) I have found that the most effective way to reach the pin area are bump&run chip shots executed from 7:30 hands position and the club shaft parallel to the ground; clubs used are from AW (GW) to 6 iron and the distance intervals amount to ca. 5 meters each club. I use Pelz open stance with the ball moved back and both feet open (ball is located in front of right outside ankle). All is great till this moment - now a serious dilemma - what to do with the wrists ? According to the 'dead hands' theory I understand that the left wrist should be all the time flat because any of wrists' help will screw the distance feel. However, flat wrist IMHO kills the very feel of the shot. What is your advice ?

Last but not least - opposite to chip shots, my lob pitches (mainly done by LW and SW from shorter distances than 30 meters) are intuitive as regards distances; I use wrist help to all those shots (the biggest of course in sand blast shots or flop shots) and although I am not always very precise, feeling of the shot is outstanding. It's not any problem for me to put the ball on the green from any lie.

As you see, I use the mix of wrist techniques but I really can't say which is more effective for me. Looking for some help here, since my short game simply sucks comparing to my long game...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:03pm

Hey, the short game is mostly feel, so I wouldn't do anything that would take that feel away. With all of my short game shots I just try to let my wrist do their natural thing, and try to never let tension creep into my arms or hands. I think It's more important to stay connected and to work on good tempo. Don't think too much!

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I think with the short game, especially chips, the most important thing is to locate a landing area and keep that in mind. If you then commit to this area you'll make a more positive stroke.

Keeping the stroke positive takes your mind away from mechanics and to the target. This should, with a decent set-up, ensure good contact.

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 Well, feel is one thing, but bad technique in order to have more "feel" is another. In either shot the left wrist should be flat at impact. The main difference between a pitch and chip to me is just that the right wrist bends back and stays there on a pitch and maybe even a little left wrist cock on longer pitches. On a chip I just start with my hands ahead of the ball and don't do anything with the wrists at all - It's about the same as a putting stroke except that the strike is slightly decending.

 

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Good post, Skully. However, you have mentioned flat wrists at impact - I do agree, they should be flat at impact no matter it's a pitch or a chip. But I have been asking about bending of the wrists between address and impact; how I understand 'dead hands' is to have flat wrists all the time - and I use this technique for my chip shots (sort of putter-like motion). The question is if for pitches flat wrists all the time can make more harm than good for an average golfer (not for a Tour Pro). I really can rely more on my pitches with the help of my wrists, but at impact I want to have my left one flat.

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I agree with both of you. Sorry for kinda missing the point. Yes, decent technique is important as you can't have confidence in picking your spot and going for it if your technique is crap. I like a big of wrist action in my pitching BS, but as Skully says, it's important to have the back of the left hand lead into the ball in all these shots. For me the exeption is the flop shot which is very wristy all the way through.

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I am sort of in a state of choosing how I like to do the short game.  I really like to use my hands since it gives me a much better distance control, but it must be timed much better.  I have found lately that keeping the arms well connected and use my hands  (left wrist cock and hit flat) works quite well.  If I use my shoulders i get more roll and less distance control, but hit the ball more consistent.

So i guess it is a choice ?

This is for shots within 20 yards.  For longer shots, I just narrow my stance and hit a small normal swing, cocks my wrists earlier (it just happens due to the narrow stance giving shorter arm swing)

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