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    Posted: 20 June 2006 at 10:20am
Some years ago on the golf channel i saw a programme where the guy presenting it said if you remember one thing from this programme remember this.

"The ball will start in the direction that your shoulders are pointing at impact and the ball will finish where your club face was pointing at impact"

Now this was the only thing i can remember from the programme, cant event remember who presented it.

It does seem to make sense to me, for instance if I want to hit a draw then I swing slightly more from the inside (so my shoulders would be slightly closed) and the club face would be slightly closed to this swing path creating a draw. if the club face was square to this path then i would hit a push.

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I used to follow a general guide line of aligning the shoulders where I want the ball to start and align the clubface where I want it to end up. The difference is that these are address positions and not impact positions. With a ops your shoulders are very open to your line of flight at impact.
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I am sure he is referring to shaping shots and more how you align your shoulders at setup to influence the direction of the plane.  It is entirely possible for your shoulders to be aligned one way at impact and your plane  and face to be aligned other ways.  not to say this would be efficient or "proper"... just possible.
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Originally posted by doverall doverall wrote:

Some years ago on the golf channel i saw a programme where the guy presenting it said if you remember one thing from this programme remember this.

"The ball will start in the direction that your shoulders are pointing at impact and the ball will finish where your club face was pointing at impact"

Now this was the only thing i can remember from the programme, cant event remember who presented it.

It does seem to make sense to me, for instance if I want to hit a draw then I swing slightly more from the inside (so my shoulders would be slightly closed) and the club face would be slightly closed to this swing path creating a draw. if the club face was square to this path then i would hit a push.

Would like to know what you guys think of this little gem of information...


I think it's dead wrong.  The ball will always start in the direction the clubface is looking when the ball separates.   The shoulders can be open, square, or closed, but the clubface angle at separation determines the initial direction of flight. Whether it curves in the air is influenced by the path of the club and the amount of clubhead rotation while the ball is compressed on the face. 
 
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You said all you needed to say in the first sentence: "on the golf channel"

This advice is wrong as a blanket statement, dead wrong, but for a two plane swing which he was likely talking about, it's a fair enough statement. For a one planer, not so much.

 

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Just remember this about ball flight.  The ball flight is affected by several variables 1) is the face angle and 2) swing path 3) the angle of the club and 4) the speed of the club. Of the 4 according to great John Jacobs the clubface at impact is the most important factor.  In addition, keep this in mind:  The angle of the clubface at impact will create the side spin and the swing path with determine where the ball will start off at.  For example, a pull happens when your clubface is square to your swing path not your target line (the swing path will be moving from the outside to inside).  I hope this helps a little bit.  If you have any questions about this I will be more than happy to help.  I have been studying a lot of Mr. Jacobs theory about ball flight I to me it is right on. 

Chuck, if anything is off on this please correct me.

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1.  What does he mean by "angle of the club"?  Is that like forward shaft lean?

2.  Does he make a distinction between the clubface angle at impact vs. separation?  If not, he has missed a crucial factor, clubface rotation during the compression phase.
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Angle of the club coming into impact meaning how steep/shallow.
And to answer your second question I believe he mentioned something about this.  Let me go back through my notes on this one and I will get back to you.
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Originally posted by One Planer One Planer wrote:

I think it's dead wrong.  The ball will always start in the direction the clubface is looking when the ball separates.   The shoulders can be open, square, or closed, but the clubface angle at separation determines the initial direction of flight. Whether it curves in the air is influenced by the path of the club and the amount of clubhead rotation while the ball is compressed on the face. 
 

For the first time ever, I have to disagree with OnePlaner.

As far as I understand, you have your influences reversed.  The ball's initial direction is determined by the swing path - the club face at impact determines the side spin.  An out to in swing path with an open face at impact will cause a pull slice.  An out to in path with a closed face causes a pulled straight ball.  Simplify (and slow down) the dynamics by putting.  If you putt directly towards a target, but keep the face open; the ball will initially start out towards the target, but a slice spin will send it off course.

I don't quite understand how physics differs from a 1PS to a 2PS.  Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

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  Initial direction is established by path. Face angle & rotation (or lack of) determines curvature. Curvature can be either verticle or horizontial........depends on face angle, face rotation (or lack of) & angle of attack.
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